9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

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9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

Postby bullet » 31 Mar 2011, 12:00

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In the last issue of the Swedish auto,motor&sport the 9-5 had to show if it was able to withstand a face-to-face comparison with the new Audi A6, the BMW 5-series and the Mercedes E-class.

The test is a little bit unfair for Saab, but the guys at AMS knew it from the beginning, as the big V6 diesels of the Germans are compared to the TTiD4.

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We knew that a four-cylinder diesel would fall short against the other six-cylinder diesels. But we wanted to see if Saab 9-5 chassis is still champ in the class.



The candidates are:

* Audi A6 TDI 3.0 quattro; 245hp; 500Nm; 7-speed automatic; AWD; 1887kg
* BMW 535d530d; 245hp; 540Nm; 8-speed automatic; RWD; 1902 kg
* Mercedes E350 CDI; 265 hp; 620Nm; 7-speed automatic; RWD; 1941 kg
* Saab 9-5 TTiD4 XWD; 190 hp; 400Nm; 6-speed manual; 4WD; 2010 kg

Saab reached only the 4th position with 4 stars where the other 3 reached 4.5 stars. But the guys at AMS keep asking, how would have been if we had tested a TTiD6 instead of the the TTiD4?

And why do they ask this question? Well if we believe the test, the Saab has the best chassis and the best steering, and despite the fact their car only had the McPherson front suspension.

AMS titles the 9-5 as the driving fun choice.

We note that the A6 never been so alert on the road, they have really done their homework in Ingolstadt.
BMW has a more difficult job than ever to compete.
Though it is still Trollhättan which builds the finest ride in this group.

No one is completely perfect. Audi is too hard and the rear seat is not impressive; BMW is a bit too tight, Saab has no fifth or sixth cylinder under the hood and Mercedes Avantgarde Package has no comfort benefits.

Audi is for those who want efficient V6 diesel, with good facilities.

BMW is the crystal clear choice for customer comfort.

Mercedes E 350 CDI has most of the torque, 620 Nm gives a totally different feeling against the other cars.

If you really prioritize the pure driving pleasure, then you choose the Saab 9-5.

So in the end the Saab is a car for the driver, but we already knew about that– although the 5-series and the E-class are RWD, they don’t have the stiffness of a 4WD car, and even despite the Audi’s new torque vectoring sports differential.

The seating comfort in the front is second to none, and in the back, well Mercedes is slightly better, but only Mercedes.

The car is also the least thirsty, although it has the highest official figures, and is the heaviest of them all.

* Audi; norm 6,0 l/km; test 7,7 l/km
* BMW; norm 6,2 l/km; test 8,6 l/km
* Merc.; norm 6,4 l/km; test 8,4 l/km
* Saab; norm 6,7 l/km; test 7,5 l/km

And for the ones looking at their pockets, the Saab is 100.000 SEK less expensive than the others. And the costs per km are also lower.

All in all the 9-5 is a good car, and after the MY 12 interior upgrade will also have the appeal of the class it is aiming for.

We know that for MY 12 a 136hp Diesel engine will be added to the offering in Europe, but this comparison also denotes that a big V6 Diesel is also very important in Europe if Saab wants to compete on the same level as The Teutonic Three.

Sursa: http://www.saabsunited.com/2011/03/ams- ... three.html

Ce e de retinut:
1. Saab e desemnat "the driver's car" in dauna BMW-ului.
2.Costa cu 11000 de euro mai putin decat restul.
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Re: 9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

Postby andybumbu » 31 Mar 2011, 22:35

Saptamana trecuta fiind in De, am avut ocazia de a fi co-driver, chiar intr-un E350 CDI, dar 4 matic, pot sa va confirm, cuplul motor e devastator, tractiune, confort, silentiozitate, dotari full, inclusiv un tanc de 90litri, cu adevarat un etalon in clasa mare, un clasic, o limuzina cu prestanta.
Daca varful diesel la saab e pe moment doar cel de 2 litri, nu puteau sa compare cu altceva..., ma rog daca comparau cu motoarele de 2 litri ale tripletei, poate lua puncte in plus Saab-ul 95, ca si dimensiuni, e normal ca 95 sa fie cel mai mare, ca doar saab-ul are doar 2 modele pt. 3 clase, iar restul au reprezentanti in fiecare clasa.
Am mai scris, nu cred ca conteaza 11000euro in minus pt. saab, oricum dotarile sunt mult mai numeroase la concurenta si mult mai avansate :wink: , dar va recupera si saab-ul pe parcurs, mai un facelift, cred ca noul 93 va fi un punct de cotitura drastic, ceva de avangarda :mrgreen:
P.S.foarte economic noul A6, pacat ca saab-ul nu are macar 7 trepte, dar am auzit ca ZF va face minuni..in the future :mrgreen:
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Re: 9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

Postby Edy » 01 Apr 2011, 13:16

Pentru cine a fost facut testul? Cum de s-au indurat sa puna cele 3 "stele" nemtesti langa SAAB? De fapt ce s-a urmarit? Fiind vorba de un test AMS cred ca era bineinteles cine va avea castig in test. 3 masini nemtesti in test cu o alta masina intr-o revista nemteasca :lol: :lol: C'mon, doar nu v-ati fi asteptat sa iasa macar pe locul 3! Ca la ei la nimeni... :|
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SAAB 9-3 AERO COUPE, 2001, 2.0T 205 CP, negru
SAAB 9000 AERO, 1996, 2.0T 185 cp Italian Aero, albastru
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Re: 9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

Postby bullet » 01 Apr 2011, 14:46

Testul e facut de AMS din Suedia.
Chiar daca a iesit pe ultimul loc, se vad clar punctele forte ale Saab-ului:

E masina cu cel mai bun comportament dinamic si producatorul care minte cel mai putin in cifrele de consum oficial / in realitate. In plus, e de departe cea mai frumoasa si cea mai ieftina.
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Re: 9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

Postby Edy » 01 Apr 2011, 15:42

bullet wrote:E masina cu cel mai bun comportament dinamic si producatorul care minte cel mai putin in cifrele de consum oficial / in realitate. In plus, e de departe cea mai frumoasa si cea mai ieftina.

Eu unul nu as folosi cuvantul ieftin, mai degraba "avantajoasa financiar" sau "accesibila" ar fi mai potrivit. Si sa nu aud ca-si pierde valoarea repede ca nu prea este cazul de comparatie: e plin autovitu' de audi, bemve si mercedesuri vechi de 2-3 ani la pret sub 50% din valoarea initiala de achizitie.
SAAB 9-5 AERO, 2004, 2.3T 250cp, negru
SAAB 9-3 AERO, 2007, 2.8T Hirsch 275cp, negru
SAAB 9-3 AERO COUPE, 2002, 2.0T Maptun Stg3 270 cp, gri
SAAB 9-3 AERO COUPE, 2001, 2.0T 205 CP, negru
SAAB 9000 AERO, 1996, 2.0T 185 cp Italian Aero, albastru
SAAB 9000 Anniversary, 1997, 2.0T 150 cp, albastru
SAAB 900i SEDAN, 1987, 2.0i, 116 cp, verde
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Re: 9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

Postby andybumbu » 01 Apr 2011, 16:33

Edy sa stii ca devalorizarea e puternica in ziua de astazi, pentru toti :? :lol: , dai o cautare pe autoscout&mobile.de si vei vedea ca peste un an si ceva, un 95 va costa sub 20000Euro abia astept :mrgreen: , unica diferenta intre un 95 si tripleta e ca pitiponcii isi schimba limuzinele mult mai des decat proprietarii de saab&numarul de masini vandute de tripleta e de cateva zeci de ori mai mare :lol:
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Re: 9-5 vs E-Klasse. A6 & Seria 5

Postby andybumbu » 01 Apr 2011, 16:48

am gasit un 95 Aero 2.8XWD full, inclusiv DVD spate, HUD, masina saab de prezentare cu 19000euro sub pretul de nou..=65500euro, avand 6 luni vechime&23000 Km :mrgreen: , deci cand va avea suta de mii de Km&2-3 ani vechime=sub 20000euro, super :wink:
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