Introducere in tunning pe Saab

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Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby decebal » 25 Dec 2012, 12:58

Pentru cei care nu citesc Saaby things prin alte parti, o sa redau aici un interviu cu cei de la Maptun, specialisti in tuning de SAAB, acordat celor de la www. saabsunited.com, interviu ce contine multe informatii utile celor ce vor sa-si modifice masinile in viitor:

For a couple of days SU has visited Maptun Performance in Örebro in order to check out how a car is tuned. At the same time we decided to ask these guys who are true experts on tuning cars on what to think about when wanting more horse-power but also what to think about when maintaining your Saab etc. P-A Johansson (who has built the 1000 hp Saab), CEO Fredrik Bengtsson and Customer Support Manager took the time out of their extremely busy workday to answer your questions. Have a look below and you’ll probably learn a lot!

Q: I would like to hear the main difference regarding tuning between MapTun, BSR and Hirsch, Why does MapTun`s software act different compared to the others etc. ?

A: I do not want to comment on the competition and can only talk about the software we create. The philosophy behind Maptuns software is the feeling of the Saab original way of doing things but with a lot more power, the force comes softly but firmly and trying to reduce boost peaks giving a comfortable ride. We strive for nice smooth torque curves. Its very important to to choose the reduce the amount of peaks of torques. These boost-peaks are mean to the car in terms or reliability. Of course we can go crazy but then we’re talking about a different category of cars & customers. / Fredrik Bengtsson

Q: Are the twin exhausts for the 9-5 (MY2006) wagon subtle? I’d like an exhaust that looks cool and sounds great but not in a crappy farty way like so many of these sports/performance ones that seem to adorn so many rubbish cars that are often lowered as well.

A: 2,5 inches, sounds more subtile and 3″ inch is too loud and sounds like an empty can. Maptun has tested a specific exhaust system for the 9-5 to get a nice driving comfort but at the same time work very well with tuning and performance. / P-A Johansson

Q: I’m wondering if there is more risk to engine tuning when the engine is more experienced with ,let’s say 100’000 km, compared to a brand new engine?

A: Everything is worn and torn with age and milage, that is unavoidable. The most important is however not the milage but rather how the car has been maintained. / P-A Johansson

Q: Any Maptun BBK for 9-5NG?

A: The 336 mm brakes are available for the NG 9-5. Due to the high weight of the 9-5NG we recommend at minimum the 336 mm kit however the 360 mm brake kit is also available. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: My son Andrew and I are rebuilding a 1997 CSE into an Aero. The front springs on the CVE are broken and need to be replaced and we’re thinking of maybe using Maptun items rather than secondhand original-specification. What difference would this make?


A: The Maptun springs make the car lower, about 30 mm than original, used original springs could be very unreliable. Normally its change all four for reliability. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: I consider myself as a regular SAAB driver. I drive around 20 000 km per year, not very slowly 50-60 km/h in town, but also not very fast around 140-150 km/h on the highway. Maybe 40% of my driving is in urban areas and 60 % – long driving on 1st class roads or highway. What is the most reliable SAAB engine the guys from Maptun would recommend for a person like me?

A: I would recommend the 9-3 SS/SC, 2008 is a very affordable car. / P-A Johansson

Q: How do you best maintain an engine so that it would last “forever” and what parts usually break and when?

A: Rather changing the oil often than paying lots of money for expensive oil, you need to get rid of all the small fragments in the oil such as sot and metal-particles that enters the oil as it is driven. Do not drive with the same oil for more than 10’000 km at maximum. The worst problem with the 9-5 is the turbo, cam-transmission chain, rear bushings & Drop-links. The 9-3 is better, the most common problem is the forward crankshaft seal, seal for the power steer-pump & rear bushings / P-A Johansson

Q: Why are some companies selling TD04 Aero turbos for 200-300 USD and why are yours so expensive?

A: Our turbos are genuine Mitsubishi turbos. There are unfortunately lots of cheep copies out there, they look exactly the same with all the article numbers and letter whoever they lack the Mitsubishi logo on the exhaust housing, that is the only way to tell them apart without taking the turbo a part for inspection. We’re often seeing non-genuine version of turbos that do not perform as a real one would. The big difference is in loss of performance and reliability of the turbo. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: Once the Ecu is replaced on OG 9-3 with a Maptun ecu can additional stage upgrades be “plug and played” like later model 9-3′s?

A: It depends on the Engine Management System, the Maptuner tuning computer which the software is supplied with only supports T7 Engines or newer. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: How do you avoid torque steer with so much power going though the front wheels.

A: A differential is a good option, most cars are different, limit the torque in the software, good tires is essential. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: Would you guys consider making Biopower convertion for 9-3 2.0 XWD -09? And a at least 370hp kit?

A: To be able to tune these cars we need to install an ethanol sensor and other additional parts which in the end make the tuning too costly for the customer.

Q: A lot of TTID, have been sold since the introduction back in 2008. Still there is not many upgrades for them?

A: The demand is not very high and to increase horse-power significantly a lot of hardware needs to be replaced which brings the price up a bit too much. / Fredrik Bengtsson

Q: Is there a front strut-brace for the 9-5 1997-2010?

A: We’re re-designing it right now and will test the brand new deign that it works the way we want it to and we’ll hopefully have it done this spring. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: What is, by the book, a safe hp and tq limit for the ecotec based b207 stock bottom end and pistons

A: The type of clutch varies on the version of the B207, for example the B207E will support 270 Nm but one needs engineer the software very carefully not to get any peaks in torques with a turbo-pressure of just over 1 bar. The pistons will support 300 hp. / Fredrik Bengtsson

Q: For petrol engines, all kinds of tuning measures are available. For Diesel engines, tuning seems to be strictly limited to firmware tuning. Why ?

A: Lack of demand and any higher power-output requires a larger turbo. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: I’ve heard that the penalty for a tuning upgrade is a lower life expectancy for the engine. I would like to ask if there any evidence that is the case and if so what is their qualitative expectation of by how much a diesel engine’s life may be shortened by an upgrade?

A: For example the TTiD has a range from 130-180 hp as original with the exact same engine. The most important factor is not the amount of horsepower on paper but rather what the torque-curve looks like, an ECU software can be made in so many ways and what aspects are considers such as turbo-rpm, rail-pressure etc. If you definitely want to kill your engine buy a plug-in box which only manipulates the fuel pressure. / Fredrik Bengtsson

Q: Maptun has high torque clutches for the high power upgrade of your Saab, but what should you do if you have an automatic transmission?


A: Limit torque at a safe level that the automatic transmission can handle or be aware of the risks and raise the torque. All Maptun tuning stages has a default safe torque level. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: What’s the difference and brand of the new performance clutch? compared to the SPEC one?


A: It gives better drivability and lower price. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: Does the stage 1 tune for the 2008 9-3 SS 2.0T improve gas mileage and how much?

A: The short answer is maybe. Depending on the driving style, we have seen indications of lower consumption however its nothing that we can promise. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: What are the best options and where to being to improve the chassis response of the 9-3ss My2003, with Aero suspension kit?

A: No 1: Strut-brace, No 2: Better springs, No 3: Better shock-absorbers. / Fredrik Åberg

Q: Also in my case, for example to improve the response of the turbo?

A: The turbo responds better if you upgrade to a performance exhaust system the back-pressure is lower in those types of exhaust systems. The exhaust is hot as it leaves the turbo and cools down as it flows towards the end of the exhaust system, therefore its better to have a larger diameter of the exhausts forward parts close to the turbo and then decrease the diameter further back. / Fredrik Åberg



Va salut
, unii isi cumpara Saab si abia dupa isi dau seama ce potential de tunning are aceasta marca de la stage 1 pana la n stage. Cand te apuci sa citesti, termenii incep sa se invarta in cap, tot felul de posibilitati , de aparate. Nu prea am gasit undeva prezentat centralizat aceste informatii, simplu dar la obiect despre ce se poate face la un saab benzinar si nici nu prea le-am inteles.
Incerc sa sistematizez viitoarele prezentari.
Tuuning Saab:
1. Tunning motor
2.Tunning tren rulare/stabilitate /jnate, bare stabilizatoare etc
3.Tunning estetic.

pentru inceput, cine poate sa prezinte tunningul la motor, pct.1, simplu, concis si didactic.
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby MagicPenguin » 25 Dec 2012, 16:07

Este TUNING. Cu un singur N.

Despre motoare te poti informa de aici:
http://www.hirsch-performance.ch/
http://www.maptun.com/
http://www.nordictuning.com/
http://en.bsr.se/
http://jzwtuning.com/
http://vtunersaabs.com/

Alte accesorii poti gasi aici:
http://www.abbottracing.net/
http://www.saabperformanceparts.com/

Nu cred ca o sa stea nimeni sa prezinte lucrurile astea pe puncte pentru fiecare motor in parte. Sunt informatii pe care le gasesti pe siteurile de mai sus si pe forumurile din strainatate:
http://www.saabcentral.com/
http://www.saabworld.net/
http://www.saabscene.com/
etc...
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby Gabilsson » 27 Dec 2012, 01:05

Incerc eu sa ajut. Nu este atat de usor sa rasfoiesti internetul. Inainte de orice trebuie sa se cunoasca modul in care piesele componente ale motorului functioneaza. Wikipedia si Youtube sunt de mare ajutor. Eu am un 93 din 2002 deci ceea ce am citit a fost pentru a intelege mai bine tuning-ul la acest model insa, in general, e la fel la orice motor turbo.

Personal consider ca exista o ordine in care trebuie schimbate piesele si aceasta este:

Ambreiaj: Este destul de sensibil la cresterile de cuplu si de aceea trebuie inlocuit cu un kit care suporta noul cuplu. Uneori discul de ambreiaj se poate inlocui cu unul cu lamele mai puternice. Exista multe optiuni si de aceea este bine sa stim unde ne vom opri cu modificarile si cam care va fi noua valoare a cuplului.
http://www.maptun.com/shopProduct.php?pid=2279&hl=123&cg=298&car=93
http://www.maptun.com/clutch/performance-clutches
Daca tot suntem in zona asta nu ar strica o revizie pt.
Cutia de viteze. Unele inele sincron sau pinioane se pot schimba la nevoie. Uneori intreaga cutie cu una mai rezistenta (cutia de pe 93ss cu 6 trepte este foarte robusta).
http://www.maptun.com/gearbox
Daca tot suntem in zona am putea monta un
Diferential cu alunecare limitata (limited slip diff) care va permite transmiterea puterii la ambele roti in permanenta si nu doar la una dintre ele (in anumite conditii). Cresterea puterii cu min. 40-50% ar trebui sa fie insotita mereu de montarea acestui diferential. Cresterea puterii cu 20-30% nu necesita neaparat un astfel de dispozitiv (un sasiu imbunatatit si cauciucuri de buna calitate si ceva mai late pot rezolva problema)
http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=225
http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=295

Volanta poate fi inlocuita cu una mai usoara (3,5-4kg in loc de 7 la 93 pana in 2002) pentru o urcare in ture mai rapida (adica imbunatatire a acceleratiei) si pentru o mai buna franare cu ajutorul motorului
http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=199

Dupa ce transmisia a fost modificata consider ca vine randul imbunatatirii stabilitatii

Cauciucuri si jante Cauciucurile de cat mai buna calitate sunt cruciale! Un profil mai mic ofera putin mai multa stabilitate in curbe iar o latime mai mare aderenta crescuta (totusi nu iarna). Pentru a putea monta cauciucuri mai late si cu ''balon'' mai mic este nevoie de jante noi cu diametru mai mare si poate si putin mai late decat cele originale.

Arcuri si amortizoare arcuri mai scurte cu 3-5 cm si cu 20-30% mai tari plus amortizoare speciale pentru o mai buna stabilitate si aderenta in curbe. Coilovers pentru modele mai noi sunt o optiune
http://www.maptun.com/shopProduct.php?pid=4749&hl=&cg=&ref=shopIndex

Bara anti-ruliu spate O bara mai rigida ajuta la mentinerea ferma pe asfalt a ambelor roti in timpul curbelor si a acceleratiilor puternice.
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?[url]cPath=56_28&products_id=34&osCsid=deb6aa6e8b4e0dbeddeb1f9070921260[/url]

Bucse din poliuretan Permit un joc mai mic in articulatiile suspensiei lasand-o sa faca....ceea ce suspensia artrebui sa faca cu un randament mai bun. Sunt foarte importante dar de multe ori ignorate.
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56_28&products_id=762&osCsid=deb6aa6e8b4e0dbeddeb1f9070921260

Ranforsare sub puntea fata pentru a reduce torsionarile in sasiul masinii. Exista in doua, patru sau sase puncte.
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56_28&products_id=374&osCsid=deb6aa6e8b4e0dbeddeb1f9070921260
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56_28&products_id=35&osCsid=deb6aa6e8b4e0dbeddeb1f9070921260

Ranforsare pt. punte spate Se monteaza inportbagaj
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56_28&products_id=644&osCsid=deb6aa6e8b4e0dbeddeb1f9070921260

Clema si ranforsare pentru stabilizarea si intarirea directiei pentru a reduce ''torque steering'' tipic pentru masinile cu putere multa si tractiune fata
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56_28&products_id=36&osCsid=deb6aa6e8b4e0dbeddeb1f9070921260

Dupa ce masina a devenit mai stabila consider ca trebuie sa aruncam o privire asupra franelor.

Frana fata este mai importanta decat frana spate si se poate imbunatati prin schimbarea discurilor si a etrierelor. Discurile performante au santuri si/sau perforatii dar si diametru mai mare decat cele OEM. Etrierele de frana, special construite pentru discurile de frana cu diametru mai mare, pot avea cate 4 sau 6 pistoane. Bineinteles placutele de frana de calitate superioara sunt obligatorii.
http://www.maptun.com/brakes/maptun-brake-kit-and-accessories

Frana spate si aici se pot monta sisteme complete, mai mari, de obicei de la modelele mai avansate (la masina mea de ex. se pot monta discuri si etriere de la 9-5 aero)

Dupa ce aceste modificari au fost aduse se poate trece la cresterea puterii motorului. Inutil sa spun ca motorul trebuie sa fie intr-o stare tehnnica impecabila.

Resoftarea este probabil primul pas. Aduce o crestere foarte mare cu un efort foarte mic. Un soft prost poate distruge motorul asa ca folositi doar MapTun sau Hirsch!
http://www.maptun.com/ecuGuide.php?kategori=173&model=1058&listorder=57

Valva de recirculare O crestere a presiunii aerului pompat de catre turbina nu trebuie pierduta din cauza unei valve vechi sau neadaptate.
http://www.neobrothers.co.uk/dump-valve-recirculating-maptun-saab-9000-ng900-p-1803.html?osCsid=aav1d29uebtogl7lrgivjujpq6

Filtru de aer performant motorul este, in principal, o imensa pompa de aer. O crestere a puterii inseamna o cantitate mai mare de aer absorbita iar filtrul de aer nu trebuie sa fie o piedica. Cold air induction este o bazaconie dupa parerea mea.
http://www.maptun.com/air-filters-intake-pipes/sport-air-filter

Esapament Ati ajutat motorul sa ''inspire'' mai usor dar trebuie sa il ajutati si sa expire. 2,5 inch pentru efect de pana la 300 de cai si 3 inch pentru peste 300cp sunt diametrele pentru noa teava de esapament. Adevarata piedica din tot sistemul de esapament o reperezinta catalizatorul iar inlocuirea acestuia cu un catalizator metalic cu 100 de celule aduce o crestere de putere dar mentine in acelasi timp noxele la un nivel legal. Schimbarea catalizatorului trebuie insotita si de schimbarea sondelor lambda (de oxigen)
http://www.maptun.com/exhaust-systems

Intercooler Un IC mai bun opune o rezistenta mai mica in calea aeriului pompat de catre turbina dar si raceste mai eficient, lucru care se traduce printr-o concentratie mai mare a moleculelor de oxigen dar si printr-o micsorare a riscului de pre-detonare.
http://www.maptun.com/shopProduct.php?pid=3212&hl=189&cg=&car=slumpa

Furtune de silicon schimbarea tuturor furtunelor cu altele noi, siliconice elimina riscul pierderii de presiune din cauza furtunelor vechi.
http://www.neobrothers.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?model=1537&keywords=&department=1543&type=1554&condition=

Turbina o turbina mai mare inseamna putere mai multa
http://www.maptun.com/turbo-accessories/turbocharger-upgrades

Actuatorul turbinei prin inlocuirea arcului actuatorului cu unul mai tare se obtine putin mai mult boost
http://www.maptun.com/turbo-accessories/wastegate-actuator

Regulatorul de presiune benzina presiunea se poate ridica la 3,5 bari odata cu schimbarea acestei piese
http://www.maptun.com/shopProduct.php?pid=829&hl=113&cg=&car=slumpa

Injectoarele mult mai mult aer necesita mult mai multa benzina. Injectoarele trebuie inlocuite cu altele de capacitate mai mare.
http://www.maptun.com/fuelling/injectors

Pompa de benzina mult mai mult aer necesita mult mai multa benzina. Pompa de benzina trebuie inlocuita cu alta de capacitate mai mare
http://www.maptun.com/shopProduct.php?pid=261&hl=113&cg=81&car=93

Pistoanele 50-60% mai multa putere este limita pentru vechile pistoane. Wössner Germania are solutia.
http://www.maptun.com/engine-parts/pistons
http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=391

Big intake pipe si...
http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=180

High flow turbo delivery pipe pentru o curgere mai eficienta a aerului
http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=176

Mai sunt si alte modificari ce pot fi facute (schimbare arcurilor valvelor, schimbarea axurilor cu came, portarea cilindrilor etc)
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby decebal » 30 Dec 2012, 01:11

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Incepe sa se faca lumina, o alta intrebare : unde ar trebui sa se opreasca tuningul domestic ca sa ma exprim astfel, adica o resoftare, niste bucse de poliuretan, niste frane bune, jante+anvelope de calitate, un filtru de aer sport, cred ca ar fi un tuning decent si acceptabil pentru o masina care se vrea normala, nu???
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby Gabilsson » 30 Dec 2012, 18:52

Se opreste acolo unde vrea posesorul. Daca e facut cu cap si cu piese si manopera bune atunci nu exista nici un pericol pentru masina (cata vreme intretinerea este corespunzatoare iar stilul de condus nu este gen rally)

O crestere de putere trebuie insotita si de alte schimbari care sa iti permita sa controlezi si sa folosesti caii obtinuti.
O resoftare poate fi destul pentru unii si daca stilul de condus nu este unul foarte agresiv nu sunt necesare alte modificari.
70-80 de cai in plus au nevoie de un alt ambreiaj mai puternic dar si de un intercooler mai bun pentru a reduce riscul de pre-detonare. Apoi degeaba ai 80 de cai in plus daca masina se balangane ca o barca si volanul tinde sa-ti rasuceasca mainile.

Dupa parerea mea primul lucru ce trebuie stabilit este cat de departe vrei sa mergi. Eu am ales ca tinta 270-280 de cai si 350-400 Nm deci am optat pentru ambreiaj Viggen (nu este nevoie de unul mai puternic) si m-am asigurat ca am o cutie de viteze sanatoasa. Cauciucuri bune am deja deci urmeaza stabilitatea/manevrabilitatea pt ca altfel cred ca voi fi dezamagit neputand sa accelerez puternic decat in linie dreapta si pe drumuri netede. La final voi face uppgrade de putere. Daca inlocuiesc franele si daca voi monta diferential Quaife ma mai gandesc.

Un minim de uppgrade cred ca ar fi asa: soft+valva de recirculare, cauciucuri, clema pt directie si bara antirului spate. Daca vrei sa mergi mai departe continua cu un catalizator race si un intercooler plus un nou kit de suspensie.
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby decebal » 30 Dec 2012, 22:45

Salut, la stage 1 ma gandeam si eu impreuna cu imbunatatire pe partea de stabilitate, jante si cauciucuri mai late, bara antiruliu si bara punte fata + bucse poliuretan. Pt directe mi se pare destul de scumpa bara respectiva 206 $ .
E cineva in Romania care poate face o resoftare pentru stage 1 Trionic 5??????? sau trebuie sa-l trimit in Suedia sau in Anglia???
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby decebal » 06 Jan 2013, 21:19

Este utila doar instalarea unui BOV-valva de recirculare si un actuator-wastegate daca nu facem resoftare si renuntam la stage 1? adica daca pastram caii putere initiali.Sau reformulez: ce tuning se poate face la un saab 9-3 trionic 5- caseta rosie neluand in considerare stage 1 de crestere a puterii motorului de la 154 la 220?
Adica dorim sa pastram caii initiala dar sa imbunatatim functionarea motorului.
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby MagicPenguin » 06 Jan 2013, 21:57

BOV-ul ar fi inutil, iar Wastegate ai deja (din fabrica).
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby decebal » 06 Jan 2013, 22:00

MagicPenguin wrote:BOV-ul ar fi inutil, iar Wastegate ai deja (din fabrica).

Pai si atunci de ce vand toti aceste produse si sunt trecute la tuning???? banuiesc ca sunt mai performante decat cele de serie din fabrica? multumesc
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby MagicPenguin » 06 Jan 2013, 22:41

S-a mai discutat despre BOV-uri aici: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=480
Citeste intregul topic, te rog.

Sunt trecute la tuning pentru ca sunt elemente de tuning, dar sa le pui pe o masina stock e ca si cum ai pune aripi de avion pe o bicicleta si te-ai astepta la un rezultat spectaculos. Sunt mai performante decat cele de pe masina, dar sunt utile in conditiile in care cresti drastic presiunea din turbina. Pe SAAB-urile prevazute cu MAF si valva de recirculare nu se pune BOV. Se poate pune o valva ranforsata.

decebal wrote:ce tuning se poate face la un saab 9-3 trionic 5- caseta rosie neluand in considerare stage 1 de crestere a puterii motorului de la 154 la 220?

Poti instala un filtru sport.
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Re: Introducere in tunning pe Saab

Postby Gabilsson » 07 Jan 2013, 20:34

Filtru sport si catalizator sport
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